03-01-2008, 19:21 | |
dictates shaft drive in your size range. | |
03-01-2008, 19:25 | |
Boat: Gozzard 36 | |
03-01-2008, 19:31 | |
Boat: 1967 Starcraft 16' - 1961 Mercury 70hp | which is as close to perfect for my purpose I can find. I quote some info I found online below: Though it's time-consuming to correctly align the and propshaft, shaftdrives have the distinct advantage that the propshaft and prop allow the use of slow-leaching copper antifoulings. These paints last much longer than the non-copper paints needed for aluminium legs, and if your is , and are less susceptible to than an aluminium leg. Although to my knowledge very few (if any) saildrive diaphragms leak, if your boat is left afloat unused for long periods, there's more in having a small stern gland than relying on rubber diaphragms. When I interviewed operators in the Whitsundays about their drive system preferences, their main gripe was the fine particles from in the area. They said that these particles blocked saildrive cooling-water intakes with monotonous regularity. Once the unscreened intakes of a saildrive leg had clogged, the had to be slipped and the drive leg removed to clear the blockage, unlike the separate cooling-water intakes of shaftdrive motors, which could be cleaned by simply over the side and removing the grit with a screwdriver. Saildrives generally have only one ratio choice and the ratio is the same ahead and astern to facilitate counter-rotation. But even with small shaftdrive diesels such as the , three different ratios are offered and the two taller ratios have a higher ratio ahead than astern. This allows the to reach its torque band faster and reduces overloading when going astern to stop the yacht or when using the to back off a sandbar. To reduce overall size and weight, most saildrive gearboxes have dog clutches whereas shaftdrive boxes have cone clutches that allow for a more progressive take-up of ahead or astern and have a longer lifespan. Shaftdrive is also lower than saildrives because only the shaft and prop are exposed to seawater and the may be serviced from within the . As most new fibreglass yachts come standard with saildrives your drive system choice is severely limited. If you're fitting-out from scratch a fibreglass yacht with a separate and for harbour , the ability to concentrate engine and drive system weight amidships makes a saildrive very attractive. But if you're fitting-out a cruising yacht, especially a heavy hull designed for passagemaking that won't be frequently slipped, then I'd recommend staying with a shaftdrive. |
03-01-2008, 19:35 | |
will help alot. as this is a global board, are you in the US or another country? which one? | |
03-01-2008, 19:38 | |
Boat: 1967 Starcraft 16' - 1961 Mercury 70hp | . |
03-01-2008, 19:43 | |
that is banned here. In the class of boat your looking at 35-40ft it realy is of minor consequence which drive config is in place. Both have advantages, both have disadvantages. Accept that there is no perfect boat and accept the comprimise. To get something sea kindly, you loose pointing, to get something that point, you'll loose ability. A shaft "can" be hard to align. but it's easier than stopping the leak from a torn boot. A new shaft and prop might cost 800, a new SD unit can go above 2000 quickly. | |
03-01-2008, 19:55 | |
Boat: 1967 Starcraft 16' - 1961 Mercury 70hp | gets in the lower unit, you have strife. If you hit something with the saildrive you are in trouble. Then you also have that thick membrane plugging the hole in the hull where the sail drive sits. I personally wouldn't take a boat with sail drives. I would do coastal cruising, - that sort of thing. But for a trip, it's a prop shaft for me. A prop shaft is easy to maintain; I still have the origional shafts after fourteen years of . I have changed the cutlass bearings three times - a fairly easy job. If I'm going to be in atolls and distant patches of paradise, I don't want to have to deal with the problems that accompany saildrives. |
03-01-2008, 19:59 | |
03-01-2008, 20:06 | |
Boat: 1967 Starcraft 16' - 1961 Mercury 70hp | |
03-01-2008, 20:13 | |
Boat: Privilege 39 | 39 is shaft driven. I like the advantages, but it was in no way a go/no-go factor... We looked at boats with shaft, sail, and sonic drives but it was just never the determining factor. |
03-01-2008, 20:25 | |
Boat: 1967 Starcraft 16' - 1961 Mercury 70hp | 39 has been at the top of my list, but it is my understanding that most P39's came with saildrives? I am also concerned about on the P39's . I am 6'1 and would like to be able to stand erect. How much room do you have? I read that the Privilege 37 had more ? Are they simular quality boats? Are there any other simular boats with shaftdrive? Shaftdrive is not my only concern, but it is important to me. Jeff |
04-01-2008, 03:51 | |
space for people. To do any real you need to haul the boat out. This can be expensive as well as a logistical nightmare with a 20+ft beam. With shafts you can dive the boat and pull a shaft at if necessary. Shaft do increase the possibility of catching a pot or wrapping the dingy painter. But I think the ability to them is more important. | |
04-01-2008, 05:02 | |
Boat: Catana 471 | tight bulkheads. A sea water system or diaphram failure that results in an flood cannot result in flooding the hull and would only flood a little above the design waterline. Add in the benefit of not having engine room smells and having lower in the living spaces, and having perhaps better engine access makes isolated engine rooms attractive to many folks. Dave |
04-01-2008, 07:28 | |
and have looked at a lot of cats with sail dirves, and since the question was raised, I offer some things that I have found. Sail drives have some advantages - they are less drag than a straight prop and strut, the prop thrust is horizontal and not on an angle as with a shaft drive, they take up less space, and they are less labor to install than a shaft drive. The disadvantages are - they require more and are more prone to problems. Let me explain - 1. The gearcase (leg) is and is always submerged - you must be vigilant in keeping the zinc in good condition to protect the . The zincs can be replaced by a diver but ut is easier to do out of the water. 2. The shaft and gear should be replaced/changed at every haul-out. It is very common to find in the gear due to leaking shaft - I think many people forget about the seals. Unfortuantely, to do both both jobs the boat needs to be out of the water. 3. The hole in the bottom of the boat is large compared to a shaft opening. Although you have 2 rubber seals if they both fail (very rare), you do have a large amount of water entering. 4. They are expensive to or replace. There may be other advantages and disadvantages, but these stick out in my mind. If I were and had a choice, I would opt for a straight shaft drive, because they are easier to take care of, which means more time for enjoying the (what it's all about). | |
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Endeavour Catamarans, both their SailCats and PowerCats, use shaft drive because they put the prop in a tunnel to protect it. Keep in mind that Endeavourcats move to shaft drives on the sailing versions is a recent development. Older Endeavourcats have saildrives and some of the very old ones used outboards.
According to builders at Volvo-Penta, on a standard 40 foot boats horse power engine, the straight shaft drive looses 3-5 horsepower over catamaran with Volvo-Penta sail drives. Interesting fact! Lastly, straight shafts must be aligned exactly, and put thus puts a lot of pressure on the engine mounts, requiring realignments occasionally.
The coachroof has been designed to include a custom solar array to optimize the benefits of our EcoDrive; a 48v parallel hybrid propulsion and power system, offering 20kW of silent fume free electric motoring, instant torque for maneuvering, hydro-regeneration when sailing, 10kW of power generation, and the reliability of two shaft drive diesel ...
The safest cruising catamarans offer a good beam to length ratio, sail fast, and are over 42ft. These include the Manta 42, the Lagoon 450F, and the Catana 44. They are stable, waterproof, easy to handle in stormy weather, and feature a sturdy design. When boarding a boat, you expect to get to your destination safely, and with your bluewater ...
A shaft drive propulsion system is far superior, especially for a global cruising yacht. While a sail drive installation of a compact unit of engine and drive train offers some advantages for convenient and relatively inexpensive installation by the builder, the advantages of a shaft drive are critical for a true blue-water global cruising catamaran.
A somewhat unique option is the Sillette Sonic drive (common on Gemini 105 catamarans) which is a type of saildrive. It allows using an inboard engine with an outboard drive leg exterior to the boat. ... The main disadvantage in a catamaran is the shaft placement limits where the engine can be placed - it must be fairly far forward, and takes ...
HH50-SC (Sports Cruising) The HH50-SC integrates the very latest in race boat technology but remains equally comfortable and family friendly. This is a "no-compromise boat" with full carbon construction, dual helms, C-shaped carbon daggerboards and stunning performance for its size. Click here to view HH50 brochure.
Boat: PDQ 36, 36'5", previously Leopard 45 cat and Hunter 33 mono. Posts: 1,345. Re: Catamarans with direct drive. The older Leopard 45, 38, 42 and 43 all have straight shafts. They are known in the industry as being extremely rugged, more so than the later Leopards not to mention other later cats.
With flat deck surfaces, fully secure cockpit with enclosures, shaft drive propulsion, and maximum use of space - our superior design provides a comfortable home for the serious world cruiser. Meticulously Crafted ... "Of all the catamarans available on the market, there is no other catamaran available in this size range we would choose at ...
(The newer drives allow you to change the oil from inside the engine room easily, without having to haul the boat.). When a sailor finds milky fluid on the older sail drive legs it is good to run the engines and transmissions frequently. This will keep the sail drive oil emulsified until the next haul when the seals can be replaced.
Performance. With her carbon reinforced foam core hulls and powerful sail plan the Balance 442 is a fast and able voyager. Upwind she points high, with little leeway, in the 6 to 8.5 knot range with her high aspect daggerboards. Reaching she enjoys speeds between 7 and 13 knots.
Whether you are buying a monohull or catamaran, understanding the difference between shaft drives and saildrives is important!
With improvements like available shaft drive propulsion, even better weather protection, more storage, and passive ventilation. ... Like all Privilège Catamarans, the 510 is a semi-custom build that gives the owner flexibility to accommodate their particular requirements. There are, however, new standard storage solutions that are suited for ...
Antares Hybrid Catamarans, The World's Best Liveaboard, Antares 44 2024 Antares Catamarans Home Page 2023 2023. Skip to content. Antares Catamarans. The World's Best Liveabaord! About. ... Whether you are buying a monohull or catamaran, understanding the difference between shaft drives and saildrives is important!
Engine and sail drive location on a lightweight catamaran affects pitching in a seaway, so a central location is better for weight distribution. However, a watertight bulkhead between an aft engine room and main cabins can prevent major flooding in case of shaft or sail drive damage. Engines under bunks or accessible only from aft deck hatches ...
The Privilège Signature 510 provides extra seating by adding a backrest beside the sliding door. Other improvements include additional solar panels, a better helm enclosure, larger nav deck, more cabin configurations and better deck hardware. Link to View Part 2. Launch and Improvements. The last step in preparing to launch the new boat is to ...
HH60-SCF (Forward Helm) The HH60-SCF is the same boat as the SC, but features a forward cockpit and optional aft tiller chairs. This lowers the boom, reduces weight and increases sail area (and performance). It also makes room for an industry leading 5,774 watts of solar on the coachroof and davits. Better by design.
The popularity of pod drives has been on the rise for years, as more boat owners have left struts and shafts behind for these steerable drive units. But the love affair is one that's been enjoyed primarily by owners of monohulls. Sunreef Yachts of Poland recently broke new ground by powering its 60-foot power catamaran with Volvo Penta's IPS800 pod drives, and the installation has been so ...
Let me explain - 1. The gearcase (leg) is aluminum and is always submerged - you must be vigilant in keeping the zinc in good condition to protect the aluminum. The zincs can be replaced by a diver but ut is easier to do out of the water. 2. The shaft seals and gear oil should be replaced/changed at every haul-out.
As a circumnavigation-class catamaran, the Antares is outfitted with a superior shaft drive system and not with sail drives. Shaft drives are not only more robust; it also means that the propellers are placed in a protected area at the end of the keel where there is minimal water disturbance. ... The Antares catamaran is outfitted with a ...
State-of-the-art hybrid drive systems and complete on-board energy management in one system. For yachts and catamarans from 40 to 80 feet. ... • Torqeedo Deep Blue Hybrid drives with shaft power from 25 to 100 kW (equivalent to 40 - 160 HP) • Sailing yachts, ferries, water taxis, etc., with hull lengths from 40 to 110 feet (12 - 33 m ...
In between the trailerable 6.0m V625 and the three large, shaft-drive cruising cats is the subject of this review, the V930 Mk2. This outboard-powered, high-speed catamaran launch
shift it into gear, rotate either prop shaft or input shaft til the clutch locks up and compare revolutions between the prop shaft and input shaft. a 1.36, the input shaft rotates a littler over one and a third of a rotation to 1 prop shaft rotation. 1.5 : is one and a half input shaft rotations to one prop shaft rotation.
The AXC system can also be installed as a twin system in catamarans and motor boats. The AXC offers many of the same benefits as Oceanvolt's SD sail drive and AX shaft drive systems - only now with a longer cruising range, higher top speed and even lower levels of vibration and onboard noise levels due to the direct drive.